View Full Version : "Kramer" goes nuts!
Lynette
11-21-2006, 05:36 PM
Have you heard about this? The news said he called some guys the n-word at a comedy club but then had a link to this tape of what happened. Apparently some people were heckling and he went bonkers. Don't watch it if you are sensitive to curse words:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=qjE0E5lgm9Q
And here is his apology on Letterman:
http://www.cbs.com/latenight/lateshow/dave_tv/ls_dtv_big_show_highlights.shtml
Holy crap, talk about watching someone's career crash and burn!
no kidding. I don't care whether he feels bad afterwards or not - i attribute that to hindsight being 20/20... those aren't the kind of things you say to people if you don't already think it. Even if he was drunk or WHATEVER, you don't say it if it isn't in your heart.
I dont' run around screaming racial slurs when i'm drunk, b/c that just isn't the person i am.
I'll no longer watch any shows he ATTEMPTS to revive his career with.
I like to vote with my pocketbook, and i think this 'cause' is VERY worthy ;)
My3sonsplus1
11-21-2006, 06:17 PM
Have you heard about this? The news said he called some guys the n-word at a comedy club but then had a link to this tape of what happened.
dh told me about it last night in context of "the guy that playED Kramer" so I thought they took him outside and beat him (to death?!):eek since the last news I heard regarding something like that (some time in the past year) was that a classmate from HS who was stationed in San Jose I think it was was at a bar, got in a fight, the two got escorted out two seperate exits, but the other guy came back and stabbed him to death. Yucky that my mind kinda assumes the worse :(
Lynette
11-21-2006, 06:39 PM
I dunno, if you listen I could have sworn someone says something about him not going to Compton or something and the guys seemed like they were in the balcony and then come downstairs so I am sure security was holding people back.
Brian was saying something about the people making slurs towards him first which is what got him so nuts but I haven't seen an article about that so I dunno. This makes Mel Gibson's outburst look very mild in comparison!
You are right though Jackie, if I got that mad I could see calling them mf'ers but yikes....
they said they were "playfully taunting him"
dunno what exactly that means.
My3sonsplus1
11-21-2006, 07:54 PM
I dunno, if you listen I could have sworn someone says something about him not going to Compton or something and the guys seemed like they were in the balcony and then come downstairs so I am sure security was holding people back.
Yeah that was my impression too from what Kevin told me, that no they didn't beat him but that that was basically just because security was there.
I shall preface by saying I can't hear the video as I have no speakers so I'll have to trust my "sources" :)
colleen&Kail
11-21-2006, 08:12 PM
thats crazz i wonder what was really wrong with him that night to make it all come out? i dont like watch ing comedy shows were every other wor dis a swear word, that just isnt funny to me? what so funny about cusing, a real comedian can make up their own jokes.
although it WAS uncalled for, i have heard SEVERAL black comedians that use racial slurs towards white people and every other race and everyone seems to except it. (at least people who are in the audience) it just seems like if a white person says anything negative about another race that they are being "racist", but if any other race says anything that it is ok. (dont get me wrong he WAS being racist i am NOT defending him) for example the BET channel, do you think a channel for white people would ever be accepted, no way!
colleen&Kail
11-21-2006, 08:13 PM
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colleen: I feel the same way about cussing not being amusing. I dislike chris rock b/c he screams, adn i don't think you are a good comedian if you can only make people laugh by yelling... tella good joke and see how that works for ya!
I also agree about the descrimination factor... I see that a LOT. for instance there are a lot of "black colleges".. and many of them are in honor of a great black historian - martin luther king, etc - but if you ever saw a white college, there would be big issue with that.
Kellie_MO5
11-22-2006, 09:09 PM
I agree with you, Colleen... They have the United Negro College Fund.. how well do you think a United Caucasion College Fund go over? LOL...
KaisaG
11-22-2006, 11:01 PM
OMG I can't believe we're having this coversation because I have been saying and feeling this way for years!
About Kramer- I saw it on the news... They're saying that it is totally the end of his career- apology or not. I he was stunned that after he said all that garbage, the majority of his audience walked out. It was only then that he realized what he had done. Oh and (in my opinion) the people in the audience were taunting him in a way that most people in a similar situation would just ignore.
kaisa: I agree. For anyone who has been to a big comedy club, a little taunting ALWAYS happens. Normally the comedian starts poking fun of the person for their accent, or saying that the girl they came with is their sister, or something lame... but they don't whip our the racial slurs :(
I agree. End of his career.
And rightfully so.
If I was Jerry Seinfeld, I'd distance myself from this lunatic as quickly as possible
Lynette
11-23-2006, 12:31 AM
I dunno, as sad as it sounds, I almost half expect to see in the news that he offs himself over it. There was a video on cnn.com earlier that was an interview with the black guys who were the target of his rant and they really seemed to play their part down a bit but at the same time I am not sure how victimized they really were either and if they are just looking for some $$$.
In regards to the college thing, I think the rationalization is that even today (obviously given this thread) there is still racism against minorities so they feel they need to have all black colleges, scholarships, clubs, etc to offset that prejudice and the economic status they are born into so they can be successful in life. Personally, I don't know that I care, I would much rather have people excel than not because I think it benefits society as a whole but it is a shame that those institutions are seperating people based on something totally out of their control, the color of their skin, rather than their accomplishments. Having said that, I kind of wish the Latino community (specifically Mexican in this area) would band together and stand up for itself and be successful by doing some of the same things.
Kellie_MO5
11-23-2006, 01:33 AM
In regards to the college thing, I think the rationalization is that even today (obviously given this thread) there is still racism against minorities so they feel they need to have all black colleges, scholarships, clubs, etc to offset that prejudice "..."but it is a shame that those institutions are seperating people based on something totally out of their control, the color of their skin, rather than their accomplishments.
Yeah, I can see that, but I also see it as keeping themselves 'seperate'... How can being racist today be justified by past actions? I don't think the color of someones skin should determine if they get a little extra college help, and see it as keeping the racism alive (though I do know it's just trying to help and that is not it's intent at all)... I don't know, maybe I don't get out enough (lol.. probably not) but I see everyone starting out today on the same playing field (there *are* white people who are born in the "ghetto" as well as out in the country) and don't seeit as a race thing, but mroe of a where you come from thing...
What's sad is that there ARE still racist people out there, people that won't hire you because you're black/middle eastern/chinese, but what we should be doing is supporting equality of the races, not promoting special perks for some...
ahhhh... I don't know.. it's late..lol...
(and just FTR, I agree that what he said was too much... it seemed like he was joking in the begining, and it went completely out of hand... really, what black person wouldn't take offense to being called that by a white person?? Get a clue, dude! )
I guess these situations (colleges, etc) are difficult to see from both sides for anyways...
scholarships for black people are normally "in the name of" someone who did something for equal rights for blacks... something that obviously wouldn't apply to, say, an asian kid.
Who would the white scholarships be "in the name of"? Noone did anything for white rights... the only people who support "whites over others" are the KKK, and I dunno i'd even want to be OFFERED a scholarship by them. LOL
Kellie_MO5
11-23-2006, 11:20 AM
yeah... I mean, when it really comes down to it it doesn't really matter how kids get to college... If they want to go, and getting a scholorship can help them get there, then it doesn't really matter where it comes from (kinda like Lynette said) because it does benefit the community as a whole..