justamom
01-04-2007, 11:59 PM
Check this out: http://enews.earthlink.net/article/hea?guid=20070104/459ddb50_3ca6_1552620070105-1548353718
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View Full Version : Surgery on girl raises ethical questions justamom 01-04-2007, 11:59 PM Check this out: http://enews.earthlink.net/article/hea?guid=20070104/459ddb50_3ca6_1552620070105-1548353718 KaisaG 01-05-2007, 12:22 AM That's not right. IMO Lynette 01-05-2007, 12:26 AM That is just weird and I wonder how a doctor could be ok doing this? becky 01-05-2007, 12:38 AM hum that was an interesting article. I dont think i could ever do anything like that if it would make caring for a bed ridden child easier. To me its as bad as choosing a baby's sex (when it is unknown at birth) without doing the whole chromisonal check first. So many times the doctors are wrong. Sure this child is not aware of the changes but its still the medical field playing god IMO. my 2 cents and change. Lynette 01-05-2007, 12:48 AM It just feels like they are neutering a dog or something so their infantlike daughter will always be their little baby. The dad makes a good point about not understanding if you have never been in the position to make a choice like that but they really don't know the long term consequences of depriving her of those horomones not to mention any major surgery there is always the risk of death or complications. In dogs they are discovering that early neutering greatly increases the risk of bone cnacer so I can't help but think it would effect people in some way. I wonder if the governement agreed to foot the bill and if so, they only would have done so if it was cost effect to them in the long run which is creepy because there are disabled people over which they have guardianship.... LMS 01-05-2007, 05:01 AM crap, i really want to respond to this (I read an awesome article about it yesterday) but we are heaving for key largo in an hour. i'll check back in tonight or tomorrow morning with the other info on the family My3sonsplus1 01-05-2007, 07:07 AM I was going to post this yesterday but then decided not to... at first as was absolutely horrified; but then I sat on it a few hours and then read the dads blog and I can "understand" a little bit more and come from a place more of compassionate disagreement than outrage for the most part. In one aspect if she is never going to make babies a life free of menstral cramps would be lovely ;), of course the way in which they went about that was invasive... and I don't agree with the "well it might get cancer so lets remove it" angle that seemed to be a main highlight of the procedures. IIRC there wasn't even a high family history of cancer in the body parts they removed, just the fact that the parts "can get cancer". But by that rationale we should all be skinned as skin cancers are actually quite common. KaisaG 01-05-2007, 08:15 AM but we are heaving for key largo in an hour BRAT! :tongue daisydoc 01-05-2007, 09:26 AM I don't agree with what they did but I can see where they are coming from. Having helped take care of disabled family members it is a burdensome situation and the larger they are the harder it is to move them so you can take excellent care of them. That said, there are other ways of handling the issue other than experimental surgeries. Like Lisa said we can all get cancer so thta's not a strong argument. And there are other ways to stunt growth thru hormone treatments without having to remove the breasts and unterus. I have a friend who lives as a man but was born as a female. HE has gone thru extensive hormone treatments to make that change and to my knowledge hasn't had any surgeries. I'm not saying that they are trying to change their daughters gender... simply pointing out that you can do ALOT with hormone treatments and may have been abel to spare their daughter the pain of invasive surgery. I still don't agree with it though. I am a firm believer that "god" or whoever you believe in doesn't give you more than you can hanlde and there is a reason why those particular parents were BLESSED with a child with specials needs. I hope they can learn what that lesson for them is before they subject the poor kid to more "unnecessary" surgeries. WOW... okay sorry! I guess I jumped up on my soap box! I'm done ;) becky 01-05-2007, 01:21 PM Cancer runs very high in Victor's family so much so that two of his sister have gotten breast cancer and one just got it again. Does that mean i'm going to have my duaghter's breast tissue removed? No. I know this is a different situation but that was the first thing that came to mind when i read the article. KaisaG 01-05-2007, 01:31 PM Cancer runs very high in Victor's family so much so that two of his sister have gotten breast cancer and one just got it again. Does that mean i'm going to have my duaghter's breast tissue removed? No. I know this is a different situation but that was the first thing that came to mind when i read the article. I think a hereditary disease like that is different because it's genetic. I wouldn't have my daughter's tissue removed either- but I wouldn't discourage them from doing it once they were older enough to make that decision themself either. I was watching Dr. 90210 and there was a girl on there that had that done after every woman in her family got breast cancer (her mom actually died when she was 13). I actually thought that it was very brave of her. She got implants and looked normal- but didn't have to worry about getting the cancer. My3sonsplus1 01-05-2007, 01:37 PM Cancer runs very high in Victor's family so much so that two of his sister have gotten breast cancer and one just got it again. Does that mean i'm going to have my duaghter's breast tissue removed? No. I know this is a different situation but that was the first thing that came to mind when i read the article. Well when I reread yes they do claim that breast cancer in their family is part of their reasoning. So it really isn't all that different for you than it is for them. I was watching Dr 90210 at the IL's a few weeks back while flipping through channels and there was a woman in her early 20's that chose to have a radical masectomy where they removed like ALL tissues including lymph nodes etc. at like 18 or something because her family had a very very high rate of (deadly) breast cancer through multiple generations (she was on the show getting implants I believe) and she wanted no part of it havign watched her mom go through several bouts before finally succumbing to cancer when she, the daughter, was a teen. But you know what, she was a consenting adult and thus it was her choice. If your girls decide at 16, 18, 20, 30 that they have evaluated their risks and it just seems too risky to keep their breasts then THEY can decide that yk?! Removing your 6 yos breasts (before they even have "breasts"), that just seems bizzare. My3sonsplus1 01-05-2007, 01:40 PM I was watching Dr. 90210 For me "never watching TV" I find it interesting we were tuning in to the same show ;) That was an amazing and sad story. becky 01-05-2007, 01:53 PM i watched that show too and i agree with both of you on that one. That girl was very brave but it was her decision to make that choice, not her parents. Her sister didnt have to proceedure done but after seeing all that her big sister went through during that show she was now considering it. If this was a choice my daughters decided to make i would support them 100% but they would have to be adults making that decision on their own. My3sonsplus1 01-05-2007, 01:59 PM If this was a choice my daughters decided to make i would support them 100% but they would have to be adults making that decision on their own. Exactly! daisydoc 01-05-2007, 02:20 PM Ya... it's a whole different situation when the person receiving the surgical procedure is a concenting adult that made that choice for themselves. princessfiona1977 01-05-2007, 02:23 PM I did not agree with this story.. I saw it on Fox news and was appalled that a doctor would be willing to do that to a child.. but that is just me... becky 01-05-2007, 02:30 PM ya well who ever said all doctors are ethical? Lynette 05-08-2007, 09:46 PM :bump Remember this girl? Here is the update: http://www.cnn.com/2007/HEALTH/05/08/ashley.ruling/index.html becky 05-08-2007, 10:00 PM thanks for the update meeg124 05-08-2007, 10:33 PM Hmm, interesting in one paragaph they are saying that "Her cognitive function was the equivalent of that of an infant, unlikely to ever change" but yet later in the article they say she is terrified of blood. I guess I've never seen how an infant reacts to blood... I understand why the famiy would want this, I just think that they have a semi-poor arguement for doing it. |